SolydEra GmbH Insolvenzantrag (SolidPower BlueGen)

  • Toll ist das wirklich nicht für die Installationsbetriebe. Ich stehe vor der gleichen Situation. Ich habe bis Ende Oktober eine Frist zur Lösung der Situation gesetzt, die ohne Reaktion seitens Buderus und Installationsbetrieb verstrichen ist. Nun habe ich den Rückbau und die Rückabwicklung des Kaufvertrages bis Ende November gefordert. Noch verzichte ich hier auf die Einschaltung eines Anwalts. Das ist der letzte Schritt, wenn sich hier weiterhin nichts bewegt.

  • könnte man überlegen eine Sammelklage gegen Mutterkonzern anzustreben.

    Wenn üerhaupt, dann ist sicher eine Sammelklage der richtige Ansatz. Trotzdem müsste man zuerst rausarbeiten, wofür man die "Mutter“ verklagen will.

    Die „Mutter“ hat die Bestandskunden schadfrei zu halten. Das ist sicher individuell, aber dennoch begründet. Wenn sich das Unternehmen aus dem Markt zurückzieht, muss die Wartung und Ersatzteilversorgung für Zeit X geregelt werden. Alternativ stehen die Kosten für Rückbau, Entsorgung und Schadenersatz im Raum. Auch diese sicher anteilig zur bereits erfolgten Nutzung. SolydEra steht in Italien auf finanzielle sehr starken Beinen.

  • Ich habe gerade in diesem Moment ein Angebot über einen Servicevertrag von der Muttergesellschaft aus Italien erhalten. Ich werde Ihn mir durchlesen und berichten.


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    1. The Service Partner undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of this Contract, to provide the following services on the BLUEGEN: Overview Validity, Contract period (years) 5 years maximum, starting from the first day of operation after commissioning Start of contract Upon contract signature by both parties. Ordinary Maintenance Once per year according specifications in Annex 1 Extraordinary Maintenance According specifications in Annex 2 Remote Monitoring in the event of maintenance or malfunction Yes Software-Updates Yes Service-Hotline & Mail Yes Remuneration/year in € net / gross 500,00 € / 610,00 €, based on a maximum of 8.400 operating hours per year Note: The service partner shall carry out maintenance activities on the product. Warranty claims and/or other repair claims from previous maintenance and/or purchase contracts of the product are explicitly excluded. This applies for used as well as for new units, commissioned or non-commissioned. The aforementioned activities are carried out by the service partner subject to the availability of parts and resources. Any (financial) compensation for possible non-implementation of the activities and any resulting reduction in performance or downtime of the BLUEGEN product is explicitly excluded. - Term: 5 years maximum, starting from the first day of operation after commissioning: - Date of commissioning: 08.03.2021 - End of contract validity: 08.03.2026 - Signature date of service contract: - Remaining term of service contract: 2,35 years - This contract ends automatically at the end of the aforementioned term. Thereafter, any further activities of the Service Partner will be invoiced in accordance with the current price list of the Service Partner (SolydEra price list as stated in Annex 3); - Annual ordinary maintenance on the BLUEGEN incl. necessary replacement of consumable parts (e.g. filters) will be executed to the described scope of work and parts according Annex 1; - Subcomponents of the BLUEGEN which are replaced within the scope of ordinary maintenance must be handed over and transferred by the Customer to SolydEra, both of which free of charge for SolydEra. - In compliance with the technical specifications (Annex 4), the installation manual (Annex 5) and the operating instructions (Annex 6), the system is conceived for ordinary maintenance once a year as described before according to Annex 1.


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    Additional Ordinary maintenance requirements outside the one-time yearly Ordinary maintenance (e.g. due to deviating local water quality, etc.) will be offered and invoiced according to the current price list of the Service Partner; - Extraordinary maintenance on the BLUEGEN will be executed to the described scope of work and parts according Annex 2; - In the event that subcomponents are needed for repair of the BLUEGEN within the scope of extraordinary maintenance, the Service Partner is - where possible, available and Customers wish – willing to offer refurbished subcomponents. In the event that refurbished subcomponents are used for repair of the BLUEGEN, the correspondingly removed, defective subcomponents of the BLUEGEN must be handed over and transferred by the Customer to SolydEra, both of which free of charge for SolydEra in order to be able to realize the reduced price for the functional refurbished subcomponent according the current pricelist of the Service Partner (SolydEra pricelist Annex 3). - Remote monitoring of the BLUEGEN via remote connection in the event of maintenance and/or malfunction, for its elimination and/or the preparation of its elimination (no active 24/7 monitoring, no entitlement of the customer to constant, active response by the Service Partner); - Telephone service hotline and provision of a functioning e-mail address for fault-, defect- and maintenance-requests by the Customer; - Installation of updates and upgrades of the software for the BLUEGEN control system after release by SolydEra via remote connection. 2. The Service Partner shall provide the services defined in Clause 1 as follows: Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. (Central European Time), excluding bank holidays and other holidays customarily observed at the location of either the Customer or SolydEra. a) The Service Partner will arrange service dates with the customer in advance or announce them. b) In the event of fault- or maintenance-requests by the Customer, the Service Partner shall respond within the support times, in the event of defect reports within a reasonable period of time. The Service Partner shall announce the "on-site" appointments at least 6 working hours in advance. If, in individual cases, appointments need to be made at shorter notice, this shall be done by mutual agreement with the customer via the telephone hotline. c) The remote monitoring of the BLUEGEN via remote connection shall take place at least during the support times specified under Clause 2.. The Service Partner can and will not guarantee a 24/7 active monitoring. There is no entitlement from the customer for constant, pro-active and timely feedback on monitoring data. The Service partner will endeavour to evaluate the monitoring data upon customer request as quick as possible and, if necessary, use it for maintenance and fault clearance offers to the customer. Through the customer BLUEGEN App provided, it is also the customer’s responsibility to pay attention to possible fault clearance and maintenance information and to formulate requests to the Service Partner.


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    3. In each case Service Partner will have a discretional right to decide the most effective and/or suitable means and methods to meet its obligation of maintenance/repair as set out under Clause 1. 4. The Service Partner’s service obligations under this Contract do not include any of the interventions and/or activities that may become necessary, due to external factors, after commissioning to check the system, to maintain operation and/or to restore operability, being the Customer responsible to assess and verify specific legal or official requirements or conditions, structural changes, changes to the operating location, as well as for operating errors or damages attributable to the Customer and/or to third parties not depending on the Service Partner. 5. The Service Partner is entitled to have the services defined in section 1 carried out by a third-party service provider of its choice, remaining directly responsible for it, as a substitute if necessary. II. Customer Obligations The performance of the services defined in Clause 1 is conditional on the exact and timely compliance by the Customer to the followings necessary acts of collaboration:  Assembly, installation and commissioning of the BLUEGEN in accordance with the BLUEGEN installation instructions (Annex 5) – if applicable;  Proper operation of the BLUEGEN according to the BLUEGEN operating instructions (Annex 6) on the basis of the information and/or specifications and performance values stated in the BLUEGEN product specifications (Annex 4);  Supply of gas, water and electricity to the BLUEGEN as well as provision of waste water and flue gas discharge, according to the specifications in the BLUEGEN product specification (Annex 4). It is in the Customers responsibility to ensure the qualities of water, air and environmental conditions as stated in the aforementioned documents, as these can significantly influence the service life of the consumables (see Clause 1). It is not in the responsibility of the Service Partner to prove this;  Regular internet connection of the BLUEGEN, according to the BLUEGEN product specification (Annex 4);  Free access to the BLUEGEN for the Service Partner on site; III. Remuneration

    1. The initial remuneration for the services amounts to: 500,00 € net per year plus the statutory value added tax of currently 22% amounting to 110,00€, i.e. 610,00 € gross per year. The amount is based on a maximum of 8.400 operating hours per year.


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    2. Possible power reductions initiated by the Customer (e.g. due to modulation of the BLUEGEN, etc.) do not automatically lead to a right to reduce the annual costs for this Contract. It is up to the Service Partner to verify this on a voluntary base. 3. In the event that this Contract is concluded during the year, the remuneration to be paid shall be calculated on the basis of the remaining months of the calendar year. The remuneration to be paid per remaining month amounts to 1/12 of the annual remuneration 4. For the service package, the Service Partner will adjust the annual remuneration to be paid by the Customer at its reasonable discretion with regard to the development of the costs that are decisive for the calculation of the remuneration 5. The notification of an adjustment of the remuneration shall be made to the Customer in writing. The adjustment shall also take effect if the Customer has already paid the respective annual remuneration before the due date. 6. For services or work performed by the Service Partner outside its obligations under this Contract, the Service Partner shall be entitled to remuneration in accordance with its respective current price list (SolydEra price list as Annex 3). IV. Payment Conditions

    The invoicing of the Service Partner regarding the remuneration for the first calendar year of the Contract term takes place after conclusion of the Contract. Services and works, consumables and spare parts not included in the ordinary and extraordinary maintenance service package will be invoiced immediately. After receipt of the invoice, the respective remuneration shall be paid by the Customer within 14 days. In the absence of a special agreement, payment shall be made without any deduction on account of the Service Partner. A payment shall only be deemed to have been made when the amount has been credited to the Service Partner. The Customer shall automatically be in default if he does not make payment within 30 days of the due date and receipt of the invoice; a separate reminder is not required for this. If the Customer is in default, the Service Partner shall be entitled to charge interest at the statutory rate from the relevant date and/or to suspend any service activities. The right to claim further damages is reserved. V. Term of Agreement / Termination 1. The validity of this Contract shall commence on the first day after the signing of the contract by both parties. 2. Ordinary termination is permitted for the first time at the end of the second contractual year. If no notice of termination is given before the end of the second or a further contractual year, taking into account a notice period of one month, the contract shall be tacitly extended for an indefinite period. It may then be terminated at any time with one


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    month’s notice until the intended total term of 5 years has been reached. Upon expiry of the total term, this contract shall terminate automatically. 3. The statutory right of the parties to extraordinary termination remains unaffected. The Service Partner is entitled to extraordinary termination in particular if  the Customer is in default with his payment obligation for a period of longer than one month;  the Customer is in default of acceptance and continues to fail to perform the acts of cooperation required of him, although the Service Partner has set him a reasonable deadline for the performance of the act with the declaration that he will terminate the contract if the act is not performed by the expiry of the deadline. 4. Any termination must be in writing to be valid. VI. Liability / Limitation of Claims

    1. The Service Partner shall be liable to the Customer for damages resulting from a slightly negligent breach of an essential contractual obligation by the Service Partner, its legal representatives or vicarious agents. Material contractual obligations are those whose fulfilment is essential for the proper performance of the Contract and on whose compliance the customer regularly relies and may rely. The liability of the Service Partner is limited to such damages that were foreseeable as a possible consequence of a breach of Contract at the time of the conclusion of this Contract and that are typically to be expected in Contracts of this type. 2. The Service Partner shall be liable to the customer in accordance with the statutory provisions for damages culpably caused by him, his legal representatives or vicarious agents arising from injury to life or health. In addition, the Service Partner is liable to the Customer for other damages that are based on an intentional or grossly negligent breach of duty by the Service Partner, his legal representatives or vicarious agents. 3. Any further liability of the Service Partner under this Contract is excluded. In particular, the Service Partner shall not be liable for damage caused by improper use, incorrect operation or handling, incorrect specifications or information, the missing or insufficient backup of data, non-observance of the set-up or installation conditions, use of unsuitable operating materials, chemical, electro-chemical or electrical influences or similar. The same applies to possible financial losses due to expenses for labour, travel, consumables and spare parts during additional ordinary or extraordinary maintenance resulting from non-compliance with the installation manual (Annex 5), the end-user manual (Annex 6) or deviating local media qualities outside the technical specifications (Annex 4) of the BLUEGEN. VII. Final Provisions 1. There are no verbal ancillary agreements to this Contract. 2. If the Customer is, a legal entity under public law or a special fund under public law, the exclusive place of jurisdiction for all disputes arising from or in connection with this contract shall be Trento. However, the Service Partner is also entitled to sue the customer at his place of residence or business.


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    3. The Service Partner does not recognise any conflicting or deviating terms and conditions of the Customer. They shall not become part of the Contract unless the Service Partner expressly agrees to their validity in writing.

    4. This Contract is governed by the laws of Italy. _____________________ ___________________________ (Place, Date) (Place, Date)

    _____________________ ___________________________ Customer SolydEra SpA Annexes to the contract - Annex 1: Scope of Ordinary Maintenance - Annex 2: Scope of Extraordinary Maintenance - Annex 3: Pricelist SolydEra - Annex 4: Technical Specification BLUEGEN BG-15 - Annex 5: Installation Manual BBLUEGEN BG-15 - Annex 6: End-User-Manual BLUEGEN BG-15


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    Annex 1 Scope of Ordinary Maintenance According to Clause 1 of this Contract and in compliance with the technical specifications (Annex 4), the installation manual (Annex 5) and the operating instructions (Annex 6), the BLUEGEN system is conceived for ordinary maintenance once a year. The Ordinary maintenance includes the following scope of work activities & spare parts / consumables: a. Appointment creation with the Customer and travel to maintenance site. b. External visual inspection of the BLUEGEN unit. Noticeable deviations are communicated to the Customer. c. Internal visual inspection of the BLUEGEN unit. Noticeable extraordinary deviations are communicated to the Customer d. Checking and – if necessary – replacing the following consumables: - Airfilter on the Air-Blower subcomponent; frequency: Yearly [BG-15 1.0 and BG15 2.0]. - Waterfilters F1, F2, F5, F7 on the Water-Treatment-System; frequency: Yearly [BG-15 1.0 only]. - Waterfilter F6 on the Water-Treatment-System; frequency: Every 2 years [BG-15 1.0 only]. - Waterfilters FX1, FX2, FX3, FX6 on the Water-Treatment-System; frequency: Yearly (BG-15 2.0 only] - Desulphurizer; frequency: Every 2 years [BG-15 1.0 and BG-15 2.0]. - Reverse Osmosis Filter F3/F4; frequency: Every 2 years [BG-15 1.0 only]. - Reverse Osmosis Filter FX4/FX5; frequency: Every 2 years [BG-15 2.0 only] - CO/CH4 Sensor at Power-Management-System; frequency: Every 2 years [BG15 1.0 and BG-15 2.0]. - CO/CH4 Sensor at Air-Blower-System; frequency: Every 2 years [BG-15 1.0 and BG-15 2.0] To limit waste and consumption, the exchange/replacement of the aforementioned consumables are not necessarily to be performed at the same time, as each component is running under different performance indicators like runtime, conductivity, etc. These indicators might trigger to different times per year. e. Returning the system to operating mode after maintenance. Additional ordinary maintenance interventions beyond the one-time yearly ordinary maintenance (e.g. due to deviating local water quality, etc.) will be offered and invoiced according to the current price list of the Service Partner (SolydEra pricelist Annex 3).


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    Scope of Extraordinary Maintenance According to Clause 1 the Service Partner undertakes the following extraordinary maintenance activities: All components and parts outside the aforementioned “Ordinary Maintenance” are offered and invoiced according to the current price list of the Service Partner (SolydEra pricelist Annex 3)


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    Preisliste

    Annex 3 SolydEra Pricelist Prices are revised regularly. Version: 700-T-999810_04, 10/23 Product Partnumber Item Description Status Type Price net BG0, BG15(1.0) F-0124-608063 F5/F6 Demin Resin MB20 Amberlite flushed Ordinary 28,68 € BG15 (2.0) F-0215 006660 FX6, L5657, Demin Resin MB20 Amberlite flushed Ordinary 25,53 € BG0 0124-521022 Filter, Air – Dia 110mm x 85(H) – Freudenberg Ordinary 39,56 € BG0, BG15(1.0) F-0124-601132 F1, Dirt & Sand Reduction, 5 Micron flushed Ordinary 21,11 € BG15 (2.0) 0215 006662 FX1, L5650, Chlorine; 1\2 - Kdf85\AGION AQUABOND dry Ordinary 36,82 € BG0, BG15(1.0) F-0124-602177 F2, Chlorine & Odour Reduction, 1lb KDF&GAC flushed Ordinary 28,91 € BG15 (2.0) 0215 006661 FX2, L5621-P, Chlorine + anti-scaling; 1\2 - 10M block w_Phosphate dry Ordinary 22,59 € BG15 (2.0) 0215 006659 FX3, L5651, Dirt & Sand; 1\2 sediment 1\2 GAC dry Ordinary 35,77 € All F-0124-608064 F7, Filter, Condensate Resin, MB20 Amberlite flushed Ordinary 52,00 € All 0157-601130 JG Push-in Fitting, Stem Elbow, 1/4" x 1/4" Extraordinary 5,52 € All 0157-601137 JG Push-in Fitting, Equal Tee, 1/4" Extraordinary 0,46 € All 0162-604115 Cable tie large Ordinary 4,19 € BG0 R-0501-603168 Assy Air Blower with CO Sensor refurbished Extraordinary 204,46 € BG0 R-0504-602521 Assembly, GA, Desulphuriser, Fitted; SIT MK I; flushed, packed flushed, refurbished Ordinary 314,80 € BG0, BG15(1.0) 0505-604195 Condensate Pump Assembly Extraordinary 123,93 € BG0, BG15(1.0) 0522-608683 Set RO housing & Membrane, 50/35 GPD RO (F3/F4) dry Ordinary 96,34 € BG15 (2.0) 0215 006733 Set RO housing & Membrane, 50/35 GPD RO (FX4/FX5 RO-kit) dry Ordinary 96,34 € BG0 0522-605503_1 JG tube, 1/4" black, coil, 150m, per m Extraordinary 0,78 € BG15 (2.0) 0213 006637 Assy- Desulphurizer BG15(2.0), filled; flushed, packed flushed, new Ordinary 407,64 €


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    BG15 (2.0) 0245 006300 Spring for PMS-filter PMS BG15 (2.0) Ordinary 2,58 € BG15 (2.0) 0215 006301 PMS-filter PMS BG15 (2.0) Ordinary 5,52 € BG0, BG15(1.0) 0157-604196 JG straight connector 1/4" Extraordinary 5,61 € BG0, BG15(1.0) 0142-520887 Tap Adapter 1/4" x 3/4" BSP Extraordinary 6,72 € All 0157-520058 JG Push-in Fitting Locking Clip 1/4" Extraordinary 0,55 € All 0157-520658 JG Collet Cover, 1/4", Red Extraordinary 0,74 € All 0157-520660 JG Collet Cover, 1/4", Yellow Extraordinary 0,74 € All 0157-520661 JG Collet Cover, 1/4", Blue Extraordinary 0,74 € All 0157-602956 JG Push Fitting, 1/4" Equal Elbow Extraordinary 7,04 € All 0157-603672 Union 3/8 - 1/4, John Guest Extraordinary 6,35 € BG0, BG15(1.0) 0158-521021 Check Valve, Duckbill, 4.1mm DBV3205CSF Extraordinary 3,82 € BG0 0501-605895 Assy Condensate Tank - Optical Extraordinary 129,69 € All 0505-602663 Assy Housing CO Sensor Extraordinary 86,00 € BG0, BG15(1.0) 0505-606557 Assy Condensate Tank Optical Switches Extraordinary 82,69 € BG0 0506-604547_03 Assembly, Flame Rod, Mk II Extraordinary 82,23 € All 0522-608455 Assembly, RO Flush Valve, 24 GPD capillary yellow, new version Extraordinary 61,16 € BG0 0523-606593 WHR, MkII –Servicekit Extraordinary 467,46 € BG15(1.0) 1-S-001-001-170 Assembly Condensate Tank optical Extraordinary 131,34 € BG15(1.0), BG15(2.0) 1-S-004-001-086 LED cable to WOB-board Extraordinary 43,84 € BG15(1.0), BG15(2.0) 1-C-014-008- 090_01 LED stripe Extraordinary 17,11 € BG15(1.0) 0501-607150 Assembly Air Blower with CO sensor master (new) Extraordinary 289,35 € BG15(1.0) 0501-607147 Air Blower BG-15 difference list (new) Extraordinary 62,03 € BG15(1.0) 0501-607545 Assembly Flue Cooling Blower Extraordinary 226,92 € BG15(1.0) 0507-606985 Exchange Kit WHR incl. metal rack Extraordinary 644,89 € BG15(1.0) 1-C-008-001-220 Gasket flat for corrugated pipe to flue cooler Extraordinary 1,29 € BG15(1.0) 1-S-004-001-090 Assembly Loom WOB & PMS Extraordinary 74,80 € BG15(1.0), BG15(2.0) 0800-603616 Cable Clip Extraordinary 0,83 € BG15(1.0) 0157-606902 JG straight connector 3/8" Extraordinary 12,01 €


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    BG0 0505-603225 Wiring Loom, Power System, External; PMS MK II Extraordinary 125,64 € BG0 R-0504-606635 Assembly, GA, Desulphuriser, Fitted; SIT MK II; flushed, packed flushed, refurbished Ordinary 250,73 € BG15(1.0) 1-M-004-002- 006_01 Hot-Box BlueGEN (Stack and Bop), calibrated new Extraordinary Price on request BG0, BG15(1.0) R-0522-608017 Assembly, Water Treatment System, 50/35 GPD RO, incl. Pressure sensor refurbished Extraordinary 594,89 € BG15 (2.0) 0109 006729 Assembly, Water Treatment System, 50/35 GPD RO new, serial number Extraordinary 1248,59 € BG15(1.0) R-1-S-004-003- 014 Assembly power management system BG-15 complete, calibrated, NET16 refurbished Extraordinary Price on request BG15(1.0) R-1-S-004-003- 012 Assembly power management system BG-15 complete, calibrated, NET11 refurbished Extraordinary Price on request BG15(1.0) R-1-S-001-003- 020 Assembly, GA, Desulphuriser, Fitted 1.1 for BG-15 refurbished Ordinary 251,84 € BG15(1.0), BG15(2.0) 1-C-020-001-028 Filter, Air – Dia 110mm x 165(H) – Freudenberg Ordinary 55,06 € BG15(1.0) 0162-608436 Pressure Switch kit BG-15 (Huba), configured for SSC's Extraordinary 131,76 € BG15(1.0) 1-S-001-001-174 BG-15 Installation Kit Extraordinary 93,26 € BG15(1.0) 0215 006585 Filters, PMS fan filter; NET16; single filter Ordinary 1,70 €


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  • Die „Mutter“ hat die Bestandskunden schadfrei zu halten.

    Interessante Sichtweise. Ich wage zu bezweifeln daß du da einen Richter findest der das auch so sieht.

    Geschweige denn die Mutterfirma im Ausland zu verklagen ist nochmal eine ganz andere Hausnummer,

    als wenn die Mutter auch in DE ansässig wäre.

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  • Ich habe gerade in diesem Moment ein Angebot über einen Servicevertrag von der Muttergesellschaft aus Italien erhalten. Ich werde Ihn mir durchlesen und berichten.

    Das klingt doch schon ganz vielversprechend :thumbup:

  • Ich habe gerade in diesem Moment ein Angebot über einen Servicevertrag von der Muttergesellschaft aus Italien erhalten. Ich werde Ihn mir durchlesen und berichten

    Danke für den Post des angebotenen Servicevertrags. Dazu fallen mir gleich zwei Dinge auf:

    1. Der Vertrag läuft nur max. 5 Jahre ab Inbetriebnahmedatum, also werden bereits geleistete Betriebsstunden abgezogen. Damit wird die Forderung der KfW nicht erfüllt, dass ein Vollwartungsvertrag über 10 Jahre abgeschlossen wird. Und wenn ich es richtig verstehe, ist das auch kein Vollwartungsvertrag.
    2. "8.400 operating hours per year": Das passt nicht zu einem 24 x 7 Betrieb. Die Anlage läuft im Jahr 8.760 Stunden!

    Ich habe dann aufgehört, weiterzulesen, denn das macht so keinen Sinn. Und dass man jetzt den Vertrag nicht allen Anlagenbetreibern anbietet (begrenzte Anzahl) und offenbar auch nur in bestimmten Regionen anbieten kann / will, ist auch kein Argument, sich auf diesen Vertrag einzulassen bzw. Hoffnung auf ein langfristiges und tragbares Betriebskonzept der Brennstoffzelle zu haben.

  • Die „Mutter“ hat die Bestandskunden schadfrei zu halten. Das ist sicher individuell, aber dennoch begründet. Wenn sich das Unternehmen aus dem Markt zurückzieht, muss die Wartung und Ersatzteilversorgung für Zeit X geregelt werden.

    Da würde ich sagen, das ist reines Wunschdenken. Woraus willst Du das denn herleiten?

    Das Mutterunternehmen war in Deutschland nie "im Markt". Dafür gab es eine von der Mutter finanzierte GmbH und es ist das Grundprinzip einer "Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung", dass sie nur mit dem Kapital haftet, das in die Gesellschaft einbezahlt wurde. Nur wenn Du nachweisen kannst (nicht nur vermutest), dass die Tochter rechtswidrig "entleert" wurde, wäre da theoretisch was zu machen. Allerdings würde das der IV als erstes tun und das dann inerhalb des Verfahrens "verprozessieren" bis nichts mehr da ist.

    Lesen gefährdet die Dummheit! Denken gefährdet Vorurteile!
    Der geistige Horizont mancher Menschen hat einen Radius von NULL. Das nennen sie dann Standpunkt.

  • Da sind so einige Stolpersteine im Vertrag. Im meinem Beispiel würde der Vertrag auch nur knapp 2 Jahre laufen.

    Ist leider alles nicht befridigend.

    Auch mehrmalige Einsätze sind extra zu bezahlen.

    Es ist nur ein Einsatz im Jahr enthalten und auch nicht alle Preise von Ersatzteilen mit drinnen. Nur die, die für eine Standartwartung benötigt werden.

  • Den Stolperstein daß du für die KfW Förderung einen 10 Jahres Vollwartungsvertrag sehe ich immer noch als größtes Damoklesschwert.


    Auch sollte aufgrund der nicht unerheblichen Wartungskosten die dann nach Aufwand zu bezahlen sind die Wirtschaftlichkeit genau kalkuliert werden.

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  • Ersteres sehe ich nicht als ein Problem an. Als die KfW-Förderung beantragt, genehmigt und ausgezahlt wurde, gab es ja einen 10-jährigen Vollwartungsvetrag. Dass dieser später durch "höhere Gewalt" nicht erfüllt werden kann, spielt m.E. keine Rolle. Etwas anderes ist die in den Förderbedingungen genannte Mindestbetriebszeit: Die könnte durchaus zum Damoklesschwert werden. Das Thema hatten wir ja schon diskutiert.


    Und ob sich der Weiterbetrieb unter den nun eingetretenen wirtschaftlichen Randbedingungen überhaupt noch lohnt, muss man mit spitzem Bleistift rechnen. Immerhin könnte es sich rechnen, die Anlage – selbst ggf. unter laufenden Verlusten wegen der Wartungskosten – wenigstens noch so lang weiter am Leben zu erhalten bis die KfW-Frist erreicht ist.

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  • Habe heute eine Mail mit einen englischen Wartungsvertrag erhalten. Habe einen deutschen Vertrag verlangt!

    Sie bieten einen Abgespeckten Vertrag an. Werde ihn meinen Anwalt die Mail übergeben, der meine Ansprüche gegen SolydEra einfordert.

  • Bin leider auch betroffen, Anlage BG15 ist vor etwa 4 Wochen "blinkend" ausgestiegen und ohne Leistung.


    Bisher ist auf keine Mail eine Antwort gekommen und habe auch nichts von Insolvenz gewusst bis eben. :(


    Weiß gerade auch nicht was nun zu tun ist wenn niemand erreichbar ist und auf keine Mail geantwortet wird.